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Friday, July 31, 2009

Expelling refugees to be like all other nations?

I wish to call attention to Dr. Elana Maryles Sztokman's Expelling refugees to be like all other nations?.

I'll briefly note: "Never Again" means that no one on earth will have another Holocaust. "Never Again" does not mean only to Jews; "Never Again" means "Never Again", period, whether the victims are Jewish or not.

With that said, let me briefly quote Dr. Sztokman. I encourage reading her article in full.
The announcement this morning by Interior Minister Eli Yishai of Shas [was] that the foreign workers will undergo a "massive expulsion." ... What shocked me was his rationale: "Whoever is found will not receive refuge — just like every ‘civilized’ country in the world," he said.

The irony here cannot be understated. Yishai, in his various governmental positions, has been one of the greatest proponents of the idea that Israel must be a nation unlike all others. ...

Now, however, Yishai conveniently wants us to be like all other nations. Just as other nations freely close their eyes to human suffering, so, too, the Jewish nation needs to be able to do the same. Just as the United States was able to send away the St Louis when the boat full of European Jewish escapees sought shelter from Nazi Germany, returning every passenger to the gas chambers without even the slightest flinch of what we might call "conscience," so, too, Yishai reasons, the Jewish nation can turn a blind eye to the plight of refugees, and thus be considered "civilized".
I completely agree in every way, and I don't think I can add anything to her words.

Dr. Sztokman further notes,
So here we are, witnessing this tragic irony in which the first time an ultra-Orthodox leader declares an opposing vision to be like all others, it is for the sake of being able to use an iron fist to expel the weakest members of our society.

Yishai has it backwards. This is a deplorable reversal of when we should be thinking for ourselves and when we should take inspiration from others. If the rest of the world kicks out refugees, we should not emulate others but explore our own morality. By contrast, if, in the rest of the world, abused women are allowed to freely exit marriage, we should not be so insistent that this is “our way” and therefore women are stuck. The unwillingness to see the global perspective and the universal moral implications of the agunah issue are rooted in an archaic, stubborn insistence that this is the Jewish way. It’s heartbreaking.
This reminds me of a certain Rabbinic aggadah. The Rabbis are faced with two different verses in Tanakh (I forget where), saying, alternately,
(1) We sinned in that we imitated the nations;
(2) We sinned in that we did not imitate the nations.
The Rabbis reconcile this contradiction by saying that we imitated the nations when we should not have, and we did not when we should have. The nations have things we should learn and things we should not learn, but we reversed the two, learning what we should not have and not learning what we should have.

Dr. Sztokman continues,
But there is another tragic distortion at work here. What should make the Jewish nation distinct is not the strict, unbending adherence to the greatest minutiae of ancient, archaic Jewish regulations. What should make us distinct is our commitment to the Jewish ethic. Torah is meant to offer us a set of moral precepts that would take us through history as a compassionate, ethical people. I’ve said this many times before, but I’ll say it again. The most fundamental ethic of Torah is compassion.
Regarding this, I'll refer readers to my The Morality Crisis in Orthodox Judaism.

10 comments:

Anonymous said...

"I'll briefly note: "Never Again" means that no one on earth will have another Holocaust. "Never Again" does not mean only to Jews; "Never Again" means "Never Again", period, whether the victims are Jewish or not. "

Says who? Not that I want one for anyone else G-d forbid, but who says that phrase has anything to do with anyone other than ourselves?

Mikewind Dale said...

Okay, "Never Again" could refer only to Jews, but then it would hypocritical. If Jews need not care about gentiles, why should gentiles care about Jews? How can Jews blame gentiles for antisemitism, if Jews don't equally care when gentiles endure that which Jews did?

So I'll dan l'khaf zekhut and assume that everyone who proclaims "Never Again" is intellectually honest and consistent: therefore, "Never Again" must not be exclusive to Jews.

Anonymous said...

I think you've created a false construct. "Never Again" as far as I know was a statement of determination, popularized by Rabbi Kahane. A statement that meant, we Jews will not allow this to happen again. We refuse to be victimized again.

NOT a statement that we will demand or ask nicely of gentiles that they please don't do it to us again, and please care. Or please acknowledge your guilt and your history of hating us and give me a mercedes. I think that may be what Abe Foxman thinks it means now that he and others have stolen the term, but that was certainly not the original meaning when the term still had a meaning.

(I'm not sure if Rabbi Kahane originated the phrase, but he definitely popularized it, and then it was hijacked by the PC establishment (Israeli, American liberal Jewish, etc) as a sort of trademark phrase that everyone lips mindlessly. As I see it, it literally had the meaning stripped out of it by its overuse - and that is perhaps part of why you misunderstand its real meaning here. It's become just a catchphrase).

Anonymous said...

"Okay, "Never Again" could refer only to Jews, "

I think in its first use by the people who used it in a real sense, it really did only refer to Jews in their minds. A specific situation of the Jews that occurred that they determined to themselves they would not allow to happen again... Lehathila it does refer to Jews.

"but then it would hypocritical. If Jews need not care about gentiles, why should gentiles care about Jews? "

Who says gentiles should care about Jews? That's certainly nice of them if they do, but who says I can demand that of them? Or that a self-respecting person would do so?

But if the phrase "Never again" as a Jewish national refrain is not about gentiles, then that means I don't care about gentiles? I don't follow that logic.



"How can Jews blame gentiles for antisemitism, if Jews don't equally care when gentiles endure that which Jews did?"

Jews can blame antisemitic gentiles because Jews are the victims of the antisemitism. But that doesn't mean wave a finger in front of them and say you guilty guilty gentiles... It means accountability (and preparation/knowledge that it could always stir up again). And expressing the fact that it is morally wrong is certainly justified.

I never heard of any phenomenon of "antigentilism" or any resulting holocaust against gentiles.

Just like gentiles should not blindly hate Jews (antisemitism), Jews should not blindly hate gentiles (antigentilism, I guess). That is equally rational and morally compelling on both sides. Do I now have to be world's policeman any time two arabs get into a fist fight, or Lebanon slaughters xtians, or Darfur Arabs slaughter Darfur blacks who slaughter other Darfur blacks...... No. But I can care about that. That would be nice of me.

Anonymous said...

Should I do something about it if I can stop the bloodshed? Sure! Should I sacrifice my nation on the altar of 'peacekeeper' ? No. If we keep these refugees, they cannot be voting citizens. That should be clear. Or at least have a generational gap where if their grandchildren are sufficiently assimilated to society, maybe they can be citizens. But it would require investigation and providing proof, like a naturalization process of sorts. This would include investigation of ideological stances. Of course the PC Israeli govt would never go for such measures so what choice are we left with?

Proud Englishman said...

Seeing the way that Jews treat refugees makes me proud that I'm not a Jew and proud that I'm an Englishman. We Brits, though not perfect by any means, have a long history of welcoming refugees into our small island. True, we're not a big country, but what we have we're happy to share with guests, particularly those poor unfortunates who are thrown out of their home countries. Israel, on the other hand, has made an entire nation (the Palestinians) into refugees. So it is no wonder that they now try to throw out these poor unfortunate migrants. Here's a website to learn more about England and our glorious heritage: http://www.britishpride.org/
Unfortunately Jewish pride means oppressing others, whereas
British pride means setting a merry example for the other nations of the world. Yes, I'm proud to be an Englishman. Proud of our glorious British heritage.

Anonymous said...

Oh, how ironic.

British Refuse to Allow Greek Zionists to Immigrate to Palestine
(1941-1943)
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/ZionistRescue.html

Collection of articles on Jews escaping Holocaust including clandestine immigration to Eretz Yisrael controlled at that time by the British of course
http://www.aish.com/ho/p/

film #10 "The British refuse a boatload of desperate Holocaust survivors entry into Israel." Story of the Exodus ship.
http://www.aish.com/ho/p/50919817.html


From the Wyman institute: "FDR never had a policy of trying to save Europe's Jews, and the claim by his administration that the Jews could only be rescued through military victory over the Nazis was misleading. There were, in fact, various ways that Jews could have been rescued during the war, such as using empty troop supply ships returning from Europe to bring refugees for temporary shelter in the United States; bombing the death camps; and pressing the British to open Palestine."

Need I go on? Check William Perl's book for more information on this treachery. That was only a 5 minute google search.

Oh, the irony.

Anonymous said...

And since you British are so deeply concerned about non-Jewish refugees, then you should take in these African/Sudanese refugees who sneak into Israel since your country's demographics and sovereignty are not threatened by it.

A country as small as Israel's is threatened by this phenomenon. Yet the Israelis are not so brutal as the Egyptians to shoot these African lawbreakers at the border themselves. That IS what the Egyptians do. I know people who witnessed such shootings firsthand. The Africans sneak across Sinai and get shot by Egyptians on sight at the borders if they are caught.

So do the world a favor and open up your benevolent, caring borders to the poor African refugees. As all western countries should do.

Furthermore, you disgust me.

Mikewind Dale said...

"Proud Englishman" is actually a close friend of mine. I figured it out when both "Proud Englishman" and an "Anonymous" mentioned the yummy Palestinian olive oil.

"Proud Englishman", Rav Begon is calling you.

Anonymous said...

Another article now, this time Commander of Oz unit defends himself against attacks of the anarchists and partly enunciates why giving the illegal immigrants a free ride is a huge national problem. Yishai also defends his policy.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/132753

Yishai Defends Immigration Officer from Onslaught Over Remarks

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