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Sunday, May 10, 2009

Women to the Back of the Plane

Haredi Men Taking Over El Al
Kolech: Jewish Woman's Voice

Discussing Haredi men forcing women on El Al flights to relocate their seats, in order to accomodate the Haredi misogyny.

In fact, the flight attendants were reluctantly complicit in this:
I [the author] went to speak to the flight attendants, who were anxiously huddling as they observed the haredi men. "I have never felt like this on a flight," I said, "like I’m a woman and therefore I shouldn’t really be here."

"Imagine how I feel," said one of the women. "I have to serve them."

"We agree with you," said the second. "But what can we do? It’s our job to make every passenger comfortable. If this is what they want, we have to accommodate them. We have to do it."

"No you don’t," I countered. "You can tell your supervisors that this is NOT a legitimate policy."

It is NOT a legitimate request. In fact, El Al needs to understand that women’s basic need not to be slighted and insulted are part of the mission of "making everyone comfortable." Imagine how these haredi men would react if they were asked to move because some white supremacist on the plane was "uncomfortable sitting next to a Jew." Would that be a legitimate request? Would the flight attendants rush to ask Jews to move in order to accommodate a racist request? I highly doubt it. That would not be considered a legitimate request. So why is it legitimate to ask the same thing of women? Why is it still okay to say to our faces, "Women, you need to make yourselves scarce."? Why are women the last ones to be granted the most basic forms of human dignity?


Unfortunately, I suspect El Al is motivated by financial incentives, i.e. the Haredim would boycott were El Al to refuse them.
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Separation of the sexes -- violent and extreme
Kolech: Jewish Woman's Voice

Continuing the discussion of sexual discrimination and segregation in Israel.
Although the notion of “separate but equal” was formally dismissed in the United States back in the 1950s under the understanding that separate is not equal, the concept still retains a fiercely resistant presence in certain sectors of Israeli society. I am referring not to racial but rather to gender segregation, particularly in the Jewish ultra-Orthodox segments of society, much of which has spilled over into public spaces as well.

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These practices are often justified on grounds of maintaining sexual “propriety,” but I submit that there is more at stake here. These are not expressions of sexual abstinence but of the removal of the female from the public sphere, and from the “male” world. It is about men creating a space free of all women and girls, as if women and girls are contaminated, dirty, evil, sinful, and threatening to “society” – read, men.

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This legitimization of violence against women who are perceived to be in violation of sexual norms follows a moral logic almost identical to those of honor killings in the Arab world. According to the reasoning underlying this behavior, a woman’s body is a form of public property – seen, viewed and observed by men on the street whose needs vis a vis this body must be fully adhered to. Women, whose spirit and person is completely absent from this reasoning, are perhaps responsible from protecting (male) members of the public from the sinfulness of seeing these bodies improperly displayed or presented – that is, until their failure to properly care for this “public property” revokes their responsibility for this task. Thus, when a body is seen as improper in dress or behavior, the body becomes property of the “community”, which is then charged with “correcting” the violation using any means necessary and available. Beating up another human being may against the Torah as well as the Western moral code, but it is deemed legitimate in this correction of female bodily incorrectness. Since the modesty patrol sees itself as free of already absolved itself from Jewish law in the face of a perceived non-normative female body, it is only a moral hop, skip, and jump away from the taking of a life. Given recent events and their surrounding rhetoric, such a possibility is no doubt on the horizon.


I was especially flabbergasted and disgusted by the following:
Perhaps most disconcerting is the support some of these behaviors receive from an unlikely source: secular, liberal Israelis. “This is their culture,” some have argued. “The Orthodox have the right not to have their cultural practices infringed upon.” This argument was heard most vociferously around the gay march riots. “You can’t blame the Orthodox,” an acquaintance of mine argued, to my horror. “The gays are offensive to their entire way of life.” The invocation of cultural relativism to support dictates that are culturally absolute is a terrible distortion of notions of freedom and liberty. The gays – or women, or non-Orthodox citizens – are not infringing on anyone, but merely living their life. The ones who “infringe” are those who use violence and abuse to “correct” public displays of gender.
For the left, staunch and dearly-held values are apparently out, and valueless moral relativism is in.

7 comments:

Mammy Jenkins said...

If I had a Haredi in the seat next to me on the plane, I'd probably ask the stewardess (flight attendant) to give me a new seat. I'd rather sit next to a screaming baby for 14 hours than next to a Haredi.

Skeptic said...

I hope R. Angel is busy writing up a response to Tradition, since the basis for his whole thinking regarding conversion (as articulated in Tzvi Zohar's book) has been completely shredded by R. Michael Broyde's scathing review.

Mikewind Dale said...

Skeptic,

Where's is Rabbi Broyde's review? So far, the only replies I've seen to Rabbi Angel's thesis have been along the lines of, "Rabbi Shmelkes beats Rabbi Uziel", completely ignoring the evidence that Rabbi Angel has beyond only Rabbi Uziel.

Also, Professor Marc Shapiro has stated in no uncertain terms that Rabbi Uziel's shita here was historically the norm.

***Update: just as I finished writing this reply, and I looked to my sidebar, at the blogroll, and right there, in the middle of my screen, was "Hirhurim - Musings - Conversion Today", and what do you know, but Rabbi Broyde's entire article is right there online! So I'll read it and get back to you.

ilanadavita said...

Thanks for writing this post Michael.

Skeptic said...

Rabbi Broyde's indictment is pretty damning. Without my ever having seen Prof Zohar's book, the examples R. Broyde gives show an ideologically driven and academically sloppy effort. And all of the points you made on Hirhurim were addressed in the essay itself. It seems as if R. Uzziel is indeed entirely alone in his view regarding kabalos mitzvas, and even his view is not so clear, as R. Broyde points out in the footnotes. So the idea of allowing a conversion without such a kabala seems rather dubious. I await a written response, either from the authors or from R. Angel -- perhaps you've had occasion to ask R. Angel about it?

Skeptic said...

I'm feeling in withdrawal without your blog posts -- hopefully you're cooking up a doozy.

Mikewind Dale said...

Lol. I'm sorry, but I'll have to let you down.

Last week wasn't so good; I had a few sleepless nights, and I had to spend most of the week watching old episodes of "Exosquad" on YouTube.

As for giyur: I'm sure there's a good response to Rabbi Broyde's article, given what Professor Shapiro says, given Rabbi Berkovits's taking Rabbi Shlomo Kluger for granted (that kabbalat mitzvot is a d'rabanan machshir; I use Rabbi Kluger as a paradigm, lav davka), and given all the Sephardi rabbis who followed Rabbi Uziel (Rabbi Broyde, footnote 2). However, I'd have to work some time on a good response, and I doubt my response would be very much good, except as a rehash of what people have already heard from Rabbi Angel et. al. I'd rather see first what they respond, and then I can add any personal thoughts of my own as commentary. One has to know his limits, after all.

In any case, I'm going to be putting some heavy time into studying Kuzari and halacha (either Menuhat Ahava on hilchot Shabbat, or Mekor Hayyim Hashalem on Orah Haim), so I doubt I'll have much inspiration for blogging, unless I suddenly gain ex nihilo a piercing knowledge of Medieval Jewish philosophy and Mesechet Shabbat, sufficient to say anything novel. In the meantime, I found Professor Harry Wolfson's "Maimonides and Halevi" to be especially enlightening: http://www.archive.org/download/maimonideshalevi00wolfuoft/maimonideshalevi00wolfuoft.pdf. I also enjoyed Professor Haim Kreisel's "Interpreting Judah Halevi's Kuzari" (http://hsf.bgu.ac.il/cjt/files/electures/kuzari1.htm) and the excerpts from Professor Adam Shear's "The Kuzari and the Shaping of Jewish Identity, 1167–1900" (http://www.cambridge.org/us/catalogue/catalogue.asp?isbn=9780521885331&ss=exc). Also, the introductions and appendices to Rabbi Daniel Korobkin's translation of the Kuzari (formerly Jason Aronson, now Feldheim) are quite good.

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